(more) Invisible?

I'm keen to get a bit of an idea about our numbers, as well as some thoughts about alternatives for keeping people up to speed (and involved) in the process.

Even if you've previously put up your hand, would you mind making a short comment below to confirm?

Also, I'm finding that a lot of the exchange of ideas about Not a Religion (or whatever we call it) is happening by email - which is absolutely fine, except that it means that collaboration isn't as wide as I'd hoped it might be.  I wonder whether some people might be reluctant to expose their brilliant thoughts to the scrutiny of all in cyberspace - we've been spared nasty anons here so far, but of course there are no guarantees.

So, how about a mailing list?  The blog would remain - as a regularly updated log of where things are at (and a beacon for more participants) - but the main mechanism for creative input, and organisation, would be less exposed.  If you'd like to go that way,  send me an email (rbruxner@bigpond.com).  

A-LIST EXTRAS

Sensing that some potential contributors will be deterred by not having the actual band to use in their videos, we here at SMI are pleased to announce that we've lined up some ring-ins:

• for SK - Johnny Depp (promises he'll work on his calves)

• MWP - Jack Black (promises he'll grow a beard and liven up his stage persona) 

• PK -  Tom Hanks (will wear brown contacts)

• TP - Robert Downey Jnr (beanie)

• JDD -??

for Ploog we're talking to Cate Blanchett (think curly blond Dylan)

and if anyone is interested Russell Crowe wants to do Nick Ward

No Certainty Attached

What if someone bought three identical camcorders, one for Australasia, one for USA and one for Europe and sent each off an epic journey? 

The cameras would go from place to place, with contributors recording their bit and then sending the camera on.  There are plenty of cameras now that record to those tiny sd memory cards.   A card big enough to hold 5-10 mins of good quality video is inexpensive (about ten bucks).  People would buy their own their sd cards and send them 'back to base' at the same time as sending the camera on.  The cameras are very compact so the cost of postage wouldn't be much.

I reckon that doing it that way would add a really nice dimension of continuity, community and trust, which would become part of the story.  It would also remove the 'access to equipment/technology' problem that some are clearly facing. 

Also, speaking pragmatically, if all the footage is shot in a consistent format and on the same medium, it will make the assembly exercise so much easier.

So, who would buy the cameras?

Well, I was thinking 'me' (although I'm open to suggestions!). 

Maybe there is some tiny risk in sending a few hundred bucks worth of very fenceable gadgetry to a list of people that I know mainly as pseudonyms (I'd probably draw the line at anons!); but I've run this past my wife - who's not a big Church fan but really likes the doco idea - and she says 'go for it'.  

When I first floated this high falutin' nonsense two weeks ago I fully expected there may be some cost.  And frankly, if this is what it takes to get our numbers into the twenties or thirties (or higher) - and to get those numbers talking here - then I'm more than happy to do it.

What do you think?

(imagine bookending the film with some footage of the cameras being sent off and arriving home)

Margaret and David said...

MP: Many 30 to 50 somethings will have heard of the Church, an Australian band that flirted with fame in the late 1980s with their much loved 'under the milky way' 

Most won't know that the same band is still going strong, releasing a new album every few years to critical acclaim and modest, but consistent, sales to a fiercely loyal fanbase

In 2009 a group of those devotees from all over the world, most of whom had never met, got together online and decided to try and do something about the criminal neglect of their beloved band  

The product is 'Not a religion' a video mosaic in which all the players have one big thing in common

(excerpt played -)
 
split screen - one side: tropical mangrove estuary with man in boat; other side: grey wintery US city, woman in a coat walking a dog - each alternately saying something interesting

cut to a slideshow of a mother and teenage kids, her voiceover telling of their teasing at her obsession, and her quiet satisfaction whenever she overhears one of them singing a Church chorus

MP: This wholly independent, no-budget, labour of love had me hooked from the start. The production has amazing depth - courtesy of the large number of people who contributed, and the variety in their contributions. The passion and enthusiasm of these ordinary people is infectious and you really get the sense that they want to give something back to the band. 

David, are you a convert?

David: At first I found it rather odd that the makers have directed that any profits from 'Not a religion' will be handed to the band. A cynic might think that the whole thing is a covert marketing exercise...

MP: ...Oh David, you're not saying...

DS: No, no. It's clear that this is - as you say - a labour of love. Through a bewildering range of media, somehow stuck together on home computers, these people have shown a genuine and affecting desire to put their favourite band in its rightful place.

MP: So the handheld video didn't bother you???

DS: I didn't even notice!

MP: The music's pretty good too isn't it?

DS: Yes - as the title suggests - this isn't a cult.  

MP: Not a bad one anyway! - I'm giving it four stars.

DS: Yes, me too - four stars

(excerpt played -)

greying man in business shirt at office desk - direct to camera:

"Do you remember when you were seventeen and your favourite band was about to put out a new album? You'd know the exact date weeks before and when the day finally came you'd be beside yourself. And then for weeks afterwards you'd walk around with all these new songs in your head? And eventually those songs would settle into their place with the others in the soundtrack of your life? Well I've had that feeling every few years for the last 25 years. It's so good just to be a fan of something."  

DS: 'Not a religion' will be showing in selected theatres within six or so months of when it is made.  

   

So Far...

(end of week one)

WE HAVE -

a dozen who have said 'I'm in' 

a bit of an idea about composition:  if it can be seen and heard on a screen then we will make it fit (check earlier posts for some possibilities)

a bit of an idea about content: contributions of 5 or so minutes, following 'nebulous subtle guidelines' that are wide open to interpretation; an end product that hangs together, but isn't slick (think #23!)

(my) idea for a title:  'not a religion'  

WE NEED:

raging argument about the ideas above

more people and more exchange of ideas - is a blog the way to do this?  would a mailing list or something else work better maybe?

see you early on Sunday morning!

IDEAS

i'm still very keen on generic questions/topics like 'who' 'what' 'when' 'where' 'how'  

'who' could be the contributor themself, someone in the band, someone in a song...

'where' could be a concert, the contributor's hometown,  somewhere a song takes them...

'how' could be the way they got hooked,  'when' the time....

and so on

i think the myriad answers/responses will help supply an answer to the question  at the heart of all of this - 'why?'

referring to Pricey's comment in the post below, i do like that idea but my only reservation is then it looks like the band are some how involved with the project, manipulating behind the scene and the thing that would make this unique is it is a way for us to give something back to the band and also promote their work. of course this is just my opinion and im happy to go along with what ever the majority wish, it's just a point of view. perhaps we can brainstorm certain elements that the 'videos' are about ie

first exposure

song writing

musicianship

recordings

live

and perhaps an Apocrypha section for left overs.

mobile phones now have movie camera options and applications, i don't think we even need to be concerned about technical limitations, people can cobble together all sorts of stuff, the idea is not to make a slick looking professional doco but one made by people who just love this band. the internet is a perfect tool for this type of project. all we really need is some sort of plan to where submissions are sent. and then the excerpts can be assembled into context. i think the idea of being kinda home made is appealing, obviously those with access to better technology will present more professional segments but it's just intent that really counts. it may actually just be great visually that quality changes from one section to the other. i'm happy to co-ordinate this and put it together if no one else wants to.

another approach

Freddie

Those videos you’ve done on your blog (would you call them ‘moving photos’?) are really effective and they’ve given me an idea.

Independently of this blog I’ve been in touch with a number of people who say that they don’t have the means to contribute to the doco project. I think that when I first floated the idea of the documentary I made the mistake of assuming that access to the necessary equipment and technology is more universal than it actually is.

Although I think the film would need to be predominantly live action, I think it could be quite effective to use moving photos as well. It would mean that people could make audio and photo contributions (which would involve not much more than access to a computer and a digital camera).  We would of course need guidance from someone who can do that sort of stuff… 

I can't contribute

the last thing anyone should be thinking about this is that they aren't able to contribute

First, the whole point of the film is that people from all over the world and from all sorts of backgrounds have in common a belief that four middle aged blokes who haven't had a 'hit' in two decades should have had 20.  So, you do have something to say.  

Second, don't worry if you don't have a camera.  If (when!) this thing gets going, there will be a camera for you to use - please just assume that and start thinking about what your bit might look like. 

Third,  if (when!) whatever we produce is remarkable, and people take notice, you might have helped contribute a few more numbers to our ranks and a few extra sales when #24 comes out.

and if it's a complete disaster - who cares? - at least you'll have something to show the grand kids 

a title?

now that we're almost there...(!)

high time we talked about titles

a half relevant lyric perhaps - 'shocked not to be discovered',  'still in the camera', 'strangest at home', 'a thousand tongues wagging', 'not a religion'....

(I like that last one)

an idea

idea, a whole bunch of people independently put together a small piece of film, say 7 mins. in that time they can talk about whatever they want as long as it relates to the church. each person is responsible for their own bit and therefore keeps the work democratic. when submitted they can be put together in some sort of coordinated way. the final result would be a dvd about a band made by the fans. i think it's an original and worthwhile idea.

okay...

If it's your first time here please see first post first.

If not...

Great that I'm not the only one who thinks this might be a goer.

Let's start the flow of ideas.

With that in mind, I want to open up this blog so that people aren't limited to just commenting.  

I think that can be done by making this a 'team blog'.  Whoever wants to be on the 'team' can do their own posts.  All posts can still be commented on, but if there's new idea it's probably got a better chance of sticking if it isn't buried in a whole bunch of comments.

Here's a link to the help page that explains how a team is created:

http://help.blogger.com/bin/answer.py?answer=41440&topic=12498  

Looks like it's necessary for me to have email addresses that I can send 'invitations' to.   As far as I'm concerned (and this might change when our numbers swell beyond 5!) anyone who wants to be in the team is in.  Send me an email - rbruxner@bigpond.com and I'll 'invite' you.

Enough of the mechanical stuff.

My present thinking topics wise is that some could be very general, and therefore wide open to interpretation - things as simple 'who', 'when', 'where', and (the biggy) 'why'.  People could do with them whatever they liked.

I'd also like the whole thing to convey the global sense that is so strongly present at ttb (- with our modest numbers we've already got Aust (3 very different bits), UK and USA).  Maybe everyone could do a shot of themselves standing somewhere in their own street or town (I just thought: 'is this where you live' in the background!!!) 

That's enough for now.  

Get imagining! ... and, in the name of numbers, maybe give us the odd shameless plug on ttb.

the pitch

Here's how it goes (it's a little half baked for now, but that's just the idea).

We recruit as many as possible Church/Kilbey fanatics as possible (from the ranks of the time being commenters and wherever else in cyberspace).

Each makes a home video.  

The content would be loosely guided by a list of questions/topics that would be worked out here by everyone who wants to take part in the project.  I've deliberately given little thought to what the topics might be - maybe things like 'favourite lyric', 'how I found the Church', 'Kilbey'.  I'm sure that our collective imaginations can come up with some wonderful choices.

Otherwise, there would only be a few 'rules' about the videos.  They'd need to be relatively short (say 5 mins) and in a form where they can be easily 'chopped up' (per topic).  

Visual and narrative style would be entirely a matter for the contributor.  From what I have read from ttb commenters over the last few years, I expect we'd end up with riotous variety - silly, funny, sombre, adoring, philosophical, angry, crude, sad...

Once everyone had made their contribution (and this could involve some helping others with access to cameras, technology etc) all would be collected, chopped up, and reassembled into a sort of mosaic-documentary.  

I have no idea how many might contribute - obviously the more the better.  I reckon (with absolutely no basis) that we'd need at least 20.

Think of that very good pixies doco, only without the pixies and with us as the experts instead of all those journos and musicians, and then give it the look of a Christopher Guest film, and you'll probably have nothing like the finished product. 

There's a whole lot of stuff that would need to be thought through:

• technical things - consistent format, aspect ratio, resolution;

• who would do the chopping and assembling, and how.  I'm willing, but there are likely to be others more able;

• what to do with the result if (as I half expect) it's fucking brilliant.  All I would say here is that the whole point of the exercise, for me, is to let as many people as possible in on something that is much more of a secret than it should be.  Any benefit should be for the band;

• legal stuff - eg. if we want to use songs (which seems likely); 

• heaps of other problems; and

• title? (an early thought: "fiendss of the killer") 

For now, though, I'm just interested to see how many out there might be prepared to come along for the ride.  

Bloggywood anyone?